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Should Sven’s Commander Set be Immortal?

This set hasn’t been dropping for a while now, and was recently officially confirmed to NOT DROP in the new item schema drop list that valve just implemented.
(Source: http://www. cyborgmatt. com/2013/09/do. er/#rare-drops )

Since an in-game drop was the only possible way to obtain the set, it is now impossible to obtain new copies of this set, and is therefore, by definition, immortal.

Not only that, but the set has been in need of a fix for quite sometime now, since it doesn’t display properly in Sven’s loadout, showing up as the light blue Non-commander version of the set.
(Pic: http://i. imgur. com/QuX1iy9.jpg )

The backpack icons are also identical to the non-commander parts as well. It was not always like this.
(Pic: http://i. imgur. com/4t552Nm. png )

This set has been neglected for too long.

Now that the item schema has displayed that it does not drop, the commander set has jumped more than 3X in price already.

Just as the Dragonclaw Hook and Alpine set were made appropriately immortal, the commander set should also be properly defined for what it is.

Last edited by Gregor; 09-17-2013 at 04:00 PM .

This is not the appropriate place for your shameless attempts at profiteering.

For starters, I’ve reported two bugs regarding this set, one of which has yet to be fixed for an entire year. (the loadout bug)

If the set is supposed to be in the drop pool, I’m reporting yet another bug, because it isn’t in the drop pool.

If the set isn’t supposed to be in the drop pool, then it should be immortal quality, since there is absolutely no way to obtain new copies currently.
It’s “rare” quality makes no sense if it has the identical characteristic of an immortal item: the inability to create more of them.

Go flame someone else.

Last edited by Gregor; 09-18-2013 at 01:00 AM .

For starters, I’ve reported two bugs regarding this set, one of which has yet to be fixed for an entire year. (the loadout bug)

If the set is supposed to be in the drop pool, I’m reporting yet another bug, because it isn’t in the drop pool.

If the set isn’t supposed to be in the drop pool, then it should be immortal quality, since there is absolutely no way to obtain new copies currently.
It’s “rare” quality makes no sense if it has the identical characteristic of an immortal item: the inability to create more of them.

Go flame someone else.

You “reported” a known bug and something which may or may not be a bug. The former is padding, and the latter, if done with sincerity need not have been presented in the manner you did. Were someone wishing to draw attention to the possibility of a drop bug, one might say something like, “This set is not dropping and remains ‘rare’, if this is not as intended, perhaps you want to change one or the other.”

Clearly however your intent was not to draw attention to a bug, as your phrasing assumes that it is not in fact a bug, but rather how things are meant to be. You use this reality as the basis for your argument that the Sven set should be immortal. You either believe that it is not a bug, and thus are being disingenuous now, or you do believe it is possibly a bug and you were making a claim based on “evidence” you knew to be dubious.

Furthermore, your claims overlook the fact that there are plenty of items that do not drop, are not purchasable currently, and yet are not marked immortal. These include a variety of items which were only available coupled with physical goods purchases in the Valve store, which are now (and perhaps forever) out of stock.

Go try to manipulate the economy somewhere else.

You “reported” a known bug and something which may or may not be a bug. The former is padding, and the latter, if done with sincerity need not have been presented in the manner you did. Were someone wishing to draw attention to the possibility of a drop bug, one might say something like, “This set is not dropping and remains ‘rare’, if this is not as intended, perhaps you want to change one or the other.”

Clearly however your intent was not to draw attention to a bug, as your phrasing assumes that it is not in fact a bug, but rather how things are meant to be. You use this reality as the basis for your argument that the Sven set should be immortal. You either believe that it is not a bug, and thus are being disingenuous now, or you do believe it is possibly a bug and you were making a claim based on “evidence” you knew to be dubious.

Furthermore, your claims overlook the fact that there are plenty of items that do not drop, are not purchasable currently, and yet are not marked immortal. These include a variety of items which were only available coupled with physical goods purchases in the Valve store, which are now (and perhaps forever) out of stock.

Go try to manipulate the economy somewhere else.

I was assuming that valve had a semblance of knowledge regarding their in-game drops, so my first thought is that this is to imply that this was intended.
This was the first time Valve has revealed the Dota 2 drop list, so I apologize for thinking that there would be at least a little thought put into it’s release.

If you’re upset about my “poorly phrased” title, I should mention that titles are meant to catch your attention, and I certainly caught yours to say the least.
The content of my OP says much more than pointing out that the Commander set should be immortal given the current circumstances.

As I said, this thread is mostly for giving ALL of the Commander Set issues the light of day in one sorted package.

When they fixed the Dragonclaw hook’s bugs, they made it immortal because it was completely limited, much like the Commander Set has been.

You can accuse me of “manipulation,” I honestly do not care what you alone think; I’m just trying to make a neat, sorted report on how the set is broken in various ways, which includes it’s poor rarity labeling.

Also, the only other items that have a similar affliction are Axe’s “Genuine Witchslayer,” and DK’s “Dragonblood Ravager,” which should also be changed if they intentionally meet the criteria (having a permanently limited quantity)

Not to mention, to my knowledge, I’m the first to bring up the so called “padding” that the Commander Cape, Shoulder, and Skirt all have an identical inventory icon to their Non-commander counterparts.

I know that these boards have their fair share of flamers, so I’ll politely ask you to stop once again, unless you have anything relevant to post for once.
(To specify, this does not include hate and poor assumptions regarding my intent.)

Last edited by Gregor; 09-18-2013 at 05:44 AM .

Dota 2 sven commander set

Sven, the Rogue Knight, is a versatile melee strength hero with superior physical power coupled with powerful utility abilities. He can fulfill various roles, but is often played as a semi-carry due to his high utility even without items. He possesses a versatile arsenal, from Warcry, which hastens allies and shields them from attacks, to the throwable Storm Hammer that stuns enemies around the targeted unit. With enough items, Sven has the potential to be a strong late-game carry due to his ultimate, which increases his damage, making him hit up to three times as hard, which can then be used in conjunction with his Great Cleave to secure multiple kills with just a few swings of his sword. This immense power granted to him solely by his ultimate makes him one of strongest late-game carries in the game, and arguably the strongest semi-carry of all, as his killing presence remains even if he decides to build more supportive and tanky utility items. A truly frightening enemy to go up against if farmed, strong and versatile, Sven is a solid addition to almost every team composition.

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Bio [ edit ]

Abilities [ edit ]

• The targeting reticule must be centered over an enemy unit.

• Storm Hammer travels at a speed of 1000.

• Turning invulnerable or hidden does not prevent it from affecting the area around the target.

• Storm Hammer first applies the damage, then the debuff, then dispel.

• The projectile has 225 radius flying vision. This vision does not last.

• Sven’s sword emits some particles during the cast time, visible to everyone.

• If the talent is chosen, applies a basic dispel on all hit enemies.

• Cleave damage cannot be amplified with spell damage amplification and cannot spell lifesteal.

• Cleave damage is reduced by Damage Block.

• The complete area is shaped like an isosceles trapezoid in front of Sven.

• Fully stacks with other sources of cleaves. Each source of cleave works completely independent.

• Does not cleave upon attacking wards, buildings or allied units. Wards and buildings are unaffected by cleave.

• Despite the visual effect, cleave damage is applied instantly in the whole area. Dota 2 sven commander set

• Interrupts Sven’s channeling spells upon cast.

• Only affects allied heroes, including clones, illusions and creep-heroes.

• Only increases base damage and that given by the primary attribute of Sven. Raw bonus damage is not increased.

• Checks Sven’s main attack damage periodically and adapts the attack damage bonus instantly.

• The strength bonus effectively grants Sven 200/400/600 health, 1/2/3 health regen, 1%/2%/2% magic resistance, and 10/20/30 attack damage.
  • The talent increases these to 1000/1200/1400 health, 5/6/7 health regen, 4%/4.8%/5.6% magic resistance, and 50/60/70 attack damage.
  • The damage from the strength gets further increased to 18/44/78 ( 90/132/182) by the God’s Strength damage bonus, since it is attributes-based damage.

Talents [ edit ]

Hero Talents
+1.25s Storm Hammer Stun Duration	25	+40 STR God’s Strength
-6s Storm Hammer Cooldown	20	25% Lifesteal
Storm Hammer Dispels Enemies	15	+30 Movement Speed
+3 Mana Regen	10	+8 Strength

Recommended items [ edit ]

• Iron Branch gives Sven attributes, and additional regeneration when combined with Tango .
• Tango supplies early health regeneration to survive the laning stage.
• Healing Salve gives health restoration as well.
• Enchanted Mango helps Sven stay in lane, and allows for an additional Storm Hammer in a pinch.

• Quelling Blade helps Sven last hit more efficiently in early game.
• Boots of Speed is needed on all heroes.
• Magic Stick provides burst health and mana, useful to keep Sven alive and using abilities.

• Magic Wand is a good choice to consol >Magic Stick ‘s functionality and the minor attribute boosts when starting with Iron Branches .
• Power Treads give bonuses in attack speed and strength; he can switch to intelligence for more mana to use abilities.
• Mask of Madness compensates for Sven’s low attack and move speed and allows to farm faster.
• Blink Dagger greatly improves Sven’s mobility, allowing him to initiate teamfights as well as gank unsuspecting enemies, which can make a big difference in game outcomes.
• Black King Bar is the most important core item for Sven. It is his only defense against disables, and provides a good boost to damage and strength.

• Daedalus is the attack damage item Sven needs, as it gives Sven the critical chance that allows him to destroy enemies in just a few hits.
• Assault Cuirass can be considered in the late game, as the negative armor debuff, attack speed and massive armor gain allow for Sven to truly become a tank.

• Armlet of Mordiggian is a good early teamfight item as it prov >Echo Sabre essentially acts as a crit, allowing Sven’s burst to increase significantly for a cheap price. With Daedalus , Echo Sabre gives Sven twice the chance to crit.
• Drum of Endurance enables Sven to quickly get into combat and survive teamfights. It can be bought if Sven’s early game does not go well enough to afford bigger items.
• Boots of Travel is a natural pickup in late game.
• Monkey King Bar is often necessary to counter heroes who purchase evasion items against Sven.
• Satanic prov >Silver Edge can be an alternative to Blink Dagger, and its break helps Sven against passive defenses.
• Sange and Yasha is an easy item to build if Sven is struggling to build up gold. Its extra movement speed makes it harder for enemies to kite Sven.
• Moon Shard grants a huge boost in attack speed. It is a powerful luxury item that ensures Sven’s continued dominance in a winning game.
• Heart of Tarrasque not only prov >Gameplay [ edit ]